Henry II "Plantagenet" ENGLAND, KING
Birth:
5 Mar 1132/33
Le Mans, Sarthe, Maine/Pays de La Loire, France
Death:
6 Jul 1189
Chinon Near Tours, Indre-et-Loire, France
Burial:
8 Jul 1189
Fontevraud Abbey, France
Father:
Blocked
Mother:
Blocked
Sources:
The Magna Charta Sureties 1215, Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by WalterLee Sheppard Jr, 5th Edition, 1999, 142-1, 161-11
Encyclopedia Britannica, Treatise on, Henry II
Mac 14Febxx.FTW
The Magna Charta Sureties 1215, Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by WalterLee Sheppard Jr, 5th Edition, 1999, line 142, 161
Encyclopedia Britannica, Treatise on, Henry II
Mac 14Febxx.FTW
The Magna Charta Sureties 1215, Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by WalterLee Sheppard Jr, 5th Edition, 1999, line 142, 161
Notes:
Name Suffix:King Ancestral File Number: 8WKP-WF Henry II was bornat Le Mans in 1133. He was the eldest son of the Empress Matilda, daughter of Henry I, by her second marriage to Geoffrey the Fair of Anjou. His parents' marriage was tempestous, and both parties were glad when politics brought a separation, with Matilda going to England to fight King Stephen, and Geoffrey of Normandy to win a heritage for young Henry. He first came to England at the age of nine when his mother made her dramatic escape from Oxford where she was besieged by Stephen, across the ice and snow, dressed all in white, to welcome him at Wallingford. His next visit, when he was fourteen, showed his character: he recruited a small army of mercenaries to cross over and fight Stephen in England, but failed so miserably in the execution of his plans that he ended up borrowing money from Stephen to get back home. A third expedition, two years later, was almost as great a failure. Henry was not a soldier, his were skills of administration and diplomacy; warfare bored and sometimes frightened him. For the meanwhile he now concentrated on Normandy, of which his father had made him joint ruler. In 1151, the year of his father's death, he went to Paris to do homageto Louis VII for his duchy. There he met Queen Eleanor, and she fell in love with him. Henry was by no means averse. To steal a king's wife does a great deal for the ego of a young duke; he was as lusty as she, and late in their lives he was still ardently wenching with 'the fair Rosamund' Clifford, and less salubrious girls with names like 'Bellebelle'; finally, she would bring with her the rich Duchy of Aquitaine, which she held in her own right. With this territory added to those he hoped to inherit and win, his boundaries would be Scotlandin the north, and the Pyrenees in the south. Henry was, apart from his prospects, a 'catch' for any woman. He was intelligent, had learned Latin and couldread and possibly write; immensely strong and vigorous, a sportsman and hard rider who loved travel; emotional and passionate, prone to tears and incredible rages; carelessly but richly dressed, worried enough in later life to conceal his baldness by careful arrangement of his hair, and very concerned not to grow fat. But now he was in the prime of youth, and in 1153, when he landed with a large force in Bristol, the world was ready to be won. He quickly gained control of the West Country and moved up to Wallingford for a crucial battle with Stephen. This was avoided, however, because in thepreparations for the battle Henry fell from his horse three times, a bad omen. Henry himself was not superstitious -- he was the reverse, a cheerful blasphemer -- but he disliked battles and when his anxious advisers urged him to heed the omen, he willingly agreed toparley privately with Stephen. The conference was a strange occasion: there were only two of them there, at the narowest point of the Thames, with Henry on one bank and Stephen on the other. None the less, they seem to have come to an agreement to take negotiations further. That summer Stephen's son died mysteriously, and Eleanor bore Henry an heir (about the same time as an English whoreHikenai produced his faithful bastard Geoffrey). The omens clearly showed whatwas soon confirmed between the two -- that when Stephen died, Henry should rule in his place. A year later Stephen did die, and in December 1154, Henry and Eleanor were crowned in London. Henry was only 21, but he soon showed his worth, destroying unlicensed castles, and dispersing the foreign mercenaries. He gave even-handed justice, showing himself firm, but not unduly harsh. A country racked by civil war sighed with relief. Only two major difficulties appeared: first Henry's failure in his two Welsh campaigns in 1157 and 1165, when guerillatactics utterly defeated and on the first occasion nearly killed him; second was the reversal of his friendship for Becket when
Ida de TOENI
Birth:
Abt 1155
Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England
Death:
England
Father:
Blocked
Mother:
Blocked
Sources:
Magna Charta Sureties 1215, Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter LeeSheppard Jr, 5th Edition, 1999, 7-1, 17c-1, 155-2
The Plantagenet Ancestry, by William Henry Turton, 1968, 138
The Magna Charta Sureties 1215, Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by WalterLee Sheppard Jr, 5th Edition, 1999, line 155
The Plantagenet Ancestry, by William Henry Turton, 1968, 138
The Magna Charta Sureties 1215, Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by WalterLee Sheppard Jr, 5th Edition, 1999, line 155
Notes:
Ancestral File Number:83XC-PH Using Turton as a source, I orginally had Roger's wife as Ida Plantagenet, daughter of Hamelin Plantagenet and Isabel de Warenne. Mike Lysell, mlysell@attbi.com, posted the following correction, whichled me to research and change Ida's ancestry (see post by SGM below): Jim -You show Rogers wife as Ida Plantagenent, Daughter of Hamelin Plantagenet and Isabelle de Warenne. Records indicate that Isabelle and Hamlin did not marry until 1164. At the time of Ida or Isabellas birth, Isabelle de Warenne was married to William de Blois. According to Fredrick Weis, William de Blois died without issue. I found the following information on Paul McBride's web page at homepages.rootsweb.com~pmcbride: Isabella (Ida) (1152-) NOT the daughter of Hameline Plantagenet and Isabel de Warren. Turton says she is the daughter of Hameline Plantagenet and Isabel de Warren, but many others dispute that. b. ABT 1152 r. Sussex, Eng. Married first Henry_II Curtmantle King of England (1132-1189) Married second Roger BIGOD 2nd Earl of Norfolk (1150-1221) Paul also shows this Ida or Isabella as the mother of William Longespee. Paul lists a number of sources on his site. According to a note on James Dows web site, a researcher named Ray Phail recently confirmed that Roger Bigods wife Ida and Henry IIs misteress Ida were the same person. I didn't see a date or any sources here. I've no idea of the accuracy of the above but it does help explain theconfusion over Hamilin and Isabelle's date of marriage and Ida Plantagenet's birth date. Mike Lysell ------------------------------------ The following post by Paul Reed to SGM, 20 Sep 2000, analyzes the possible parents of Ida, but I tend to agree with Douglas Richardson (as suggested below) that Ida wasdaughter of Roger de Toeny and Margaret Beaumont, partially because the estimate of William's birth date is open to question: Royal sons, even bastard ones, tended to do things at a younger age (earlier than 21) than non-Royals, therefore I am keeping William's birth as "bef 1173". Even though Burke's Peerage andmany other sources have William Longespee's mother as Rosemond de Clifford, Ida was established as William Longespee's mother and mistress of Henry II in a reference by William himself to his mother "Countess Ida". From: Reedpcgen (reedpcgen@aol.com) Subject: Re: Countess Ida identification [more analysis--long] Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval Date: 2000/09/20 We can further narrow down the possible English parentage for Countess Ida with a little more certainty. To recap some past conclusions for newer members (and for those of us whose memories are not what they once were): We had determined that DNB and the other standard sources that attributed a grant of the manor of Appelby, co. Lincoln, in 1188 to William Longespee (the illegitimate son of Henry) were in error. I had discussed evidence that showed it was held by other families at that period [see a post I made 7 March 1998], and John Sharp reminded us [postedto this group that same date] of an assize record that proved the William Longespee involved was actually the king's legitimate brother (also named William Longespee), not the illegitimate son. We then determined--throwing out the erroneous attribution--that the earliest date we could attribute to William was 1191, which we concluded gave him an estimated birth date of 1170; but he could easily have been BORN EARLIER than 1170. This would give a date of conception in 1169, if not before. [William Longespee was highly favored by his brotherRichard I, being given important lands in 1191, and the entire Earldom of Salisbury with the five year old heiress in 1196. I take this to indicate that Richard and William were very familiar and had spent much time together before William attained majority -- possibly as a member of the royal household. Henry had plenty of other illegitimate offspring who were
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Henry II "Plantagenet" England, King - Ida de Toeni
Henry II "Plantagenet" England, King
was born at Le Mans, Sarthe, Maine/Pays de La Loire, France 5 Mar 1132/33.
He married Ida de Toeni . Ida de Toeni was born at Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England Abt 1155 .
Henry II "Plantagenet" England, King died 6 Jul 1189 at Chinon Near Tours, Indre-et-Loire, France .
Ida de Toeni died at England .